See my post for one more:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/289351/reality-refusing-blood-happened
Bloody Hotdogs!
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Document Blood Transfusion Deaths - please help
by Lee Elder inthe vast majority of deaths from the blood policy are undocumented because they are simply not newsworthy.
if you know of a death or serious injury/disability related to the blood policy, please help us document it.
send as many details as you can recall.
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Raining before the Flood?
by GrownMidget ini remember at my teen years when i was studying with a brother that he said to me that there was no rain before the flood.
instead there was this mist that you have.
never before or after this have i heard something like this.
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Bloody Hotdogs!
All references to the "water canopy", "vapour canopy", "heavenly ocean", etc... can be found here:
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Why doesn't God need a creator, while the Universe does?
by Bloody Hotdogs! ini asked this question of a jw that called on me yesterday: "if the universe requires a creator, why doesn't god?
if the universe must have a beginning, why doesn't god?
he claims to have an answer, but it must wait for next time he calls.. i'm hoping you guys can give me a heads-up as to what he will say.
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Bloody Hotdogs!
I asked this question of a JW that called on me yesterday: "If the universe requires a creator, why doesn't God? If the universe must have a beginning, why doesn't God? And, how do you know?".
He claims to have an answer, but it must wait for next time he calls.
I'm hoping you guys can give me a heads-up as to what he will say. I've never had this conversation with a JW before.
Thanks!!
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Deconstructing Splanes 'Generation' explanation
by Splash inat around 4 minutes into the september 2015 video splane said "for the man and the baby to be part of josephs generation they would have had to have lived at least some time during joseph's lifespan.".
this is the lynchpin of the wt argument, that two lives must overlap to be considered the same generation.. let's take an example of twins who are born just a few minutes apart.
obviously, these twins are the same generation as each other.
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bottom line on new generation thinking -very simple
by nowwhat? inwhen they came up with the overlapping generations new lite, they must have received alot of "where's the scriptural precedent?!
so they came up with the account of joseph and his brothers to shut them up.
still they are trying to make a round peg fit in a square hole to fit 1914 in the equation.
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The fall of Jericho - PROOF!
by Bloody Hotdogs! infrom the november 2015 watchtower:.
what have archaeologists found that shows that jericho was captured in a short time?.
joshua 6:10-15, 20 says that the israelite soldiers marched around the city of jericho once a day for six days.
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Bloody Hotdogs!
@ FadingTruth Thank you for clarifying. Remember, I am a graduate of "Watchtarded University".
By "entire dig site", I mean Kathleen Kenyon's entire dig site.
It looks as though I have confused the two relevant destructions of Jericho. The massive walls fell a thousand years before Joshua, and a bronze-age "backwater" fell 150 years before Joshua. The grain dates from the later destruction.
The double city wall Garstang associated with the Israelite invasion in about 1400 B.C.E. in fact dated to the Early Bronze Age some 1,000 years earlier. The destruction of Garstang’s City IV, which he had dated to about 1400 B.C.E., occurred, according to Kenyon, at the end of the Middle Bronze Age, about 1550 B.C.E.14
I didn't see Wood's additional note about carbon dates, because it's not in the actual article. Nevertheless, from what I have read in other sources these earlier dates are stronger than ever, based on the latest calibration curves.
I still think it's a stretch to say that the grain could only point to a short siege and a non-plundering conquerer. The grain discovered and tested was "charred" - surely, even a plundering army wouldn't want it!
So... what I should have said is: Based on some grain, dating from 150 years too early, the Watchtower concludes that the bible story is true, even though the "walls of Jericho" fell a thousand years before.
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The fall of Jericho - PROOF!
by Bloody Hotdogs! infrom the november 2015 watchtower:.
what have archaeologists found that shows that jericho was captured in a short time?.
joshua 6:10-15, 20 says that the israelite soldiers marched around the city of jericho once a day for six days.
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Bloody Hotdogs!
From the November 2015 Watchtower:
What have archaeologists found that shows that Jericho was captured in a short time?
Joshua 6:10-15, 20 says that the Israelite soldiers marched around the city of Jericho once a day for six days. On the seventh day, they went around the city seven times. Then God made the strong walls of Jericho fall, and the Israelites captured the city. Have archaeologists found anything that shows that the siege of Jericho was short, just as the Bible says?
So, forgive me, but I thought this article would provide evidence for the miraculous fall of Jericho's walls. After all, that's the most remarkable part of the story!
Instead, the topic is substantially narrowed in the last sentence: "Have archaeologists found anything that shows that the siege of Jericho was short, just as the Bible says?" Hmmm... Disappointing.
In ancient times, a city was under siege when an army surrounded its walls, ready to attack it. If a siege lasted a long time, the people in the city would eat most of the food they had stored. When the soldiers finally captured the city, they would take everything they wanted, including any food that was left. That is why archaeologists have discovered very little food or none at all in the ruins of cities in Palestine that were attacked in this way. But the ruins of Jericho are different. Biblical Archaeology Review says: “The most abundant item found in the destruction, apart from pottery, was grain.” It adds: “To find such an extensive amount of grain is exceptional.”
Pretend for a moment that this is actually interesting information...
WOW! Extensive amounts of grain - surely enough to feed a city during an extended siege! Never eaten! Never plundered!
Well, not exactly...
The Biblical Archaeology Review article (quoted, but not properly referenced, hmmm...) was written by Bryant G. Wood, a young earth creationist. He refers to the work of archaeologist Kathleen Kenyon, who excavated Jericho in the 1950s. She is said to have discovered "six bushels" of grain over the entire dig site. Six bushels. That's a sack and a bit of grain.
But wait, it gets worse. The grain found by Kenyon does not carbon date to the time of the bible story. Not even close.
The Bible says that the Israelites did not take any of the food in Jericho because Jehovah had commanded them not to. (Joshua 6:17, 18) It also says that the Israelites attacked Jericho in the spring, right after the harvest, when there was a lot of grain stored in the city. (Joshua 3:15-17; 5:10) So the fact that there was still a lot of grain in Jericho after the siege confirms that the siege was short, just as the Bible says.
So, based on some scattered grain, dating from a thousand years too early, and the "research" of a young earth creationist, the Watchtower concludes that the bible story is true.
How scholarly!
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Hebrew Was The First Language
by Bloody Hotdogs! inaccording to the newest watchtower:.
jehovah communicated with adam in the garden of eden, using human language.
god likely did so in an ancient form of hebrew.
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Bloody Hotdogs!
According to the newest Watchtower:
Jehovah communicated with Adam in the garden of Eden, using human language. God likely did so in an ancient form of Hebrew.
Why are they so stupid?? The bible doesn't even make this claim!
As far as I can figure, the oldest fragment of proto-Hebrew dates form 1000BC. There are many forms of non-Hebrew mark-making and language that date much farther back than that!
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Hitler the Evolutionist
by Bloody Hotdogs! ini found this article on creationism in an old watchtower:.
even a superficial glance is sufficient to show that all the innumerable forms in which the life-urge of nature manifests itself are subject to a fundamental law one may call it an iron law of nature which compels the various species to keep within the definite limits of their own life-forms when propagating and multiplying their kind.
each animal mates only with one of its own species.
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Bloody Hotdogs!
I found this article on Creationism in an old Watchtower:
Even a superficial glance is sufficient to show that all the innumerable forms in which the life-urge of Nature manifests itself are subject to a fundamental law – one may call it an iron law of Nature – which compels the various species to keep within the definite limits of their own life-forms when propagating and multiplying their kind. Each animal mates only with one of its own species. The titmouse cohabits only with the titmouse, the finch with the finch, the stork with the stork, the field-mouse with the field-mouse, the house-mouse with the house-mouse, the wolf with the she-wolf, etc.
Deviations from this law take place only in exceptional circumstances. This happens especially under the compulsion of captivity, or when some other obstacle makes procreative intercourse impossible between individuals of the same species. But then Nature abhors such intercourse with all her might; and her protest is most clearly demonstrated by the fact that the hybrid is either sterile or the fecundity of its descendants is limited. In most cases hybrids and their progeny are denied the ordinary powers of resistance to disease or the natural means of defence against outer attack…
This urge for the maintenance of the unmixed breed, which is a phenomenon that prevails throughout the whole of the natural world, results not only in the sharply defined outward distinction between one species and another but also in the internal similarity of characteristic qualities which are peculiar to each breed or species. The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. The only difference that can exist within the species must be in the various degrees of structural strength and active power, in the intelligence, efficiency, endurance, etc., with which the individual specimens are endowed. It would be impossible to find a fox which has a kindly and protective disposition towards geese, just as no cat exists which has a friendly disposition towards mice…
In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following:
…physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap.
The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.
Ooops. That was actually Mein Kampf.
The reason I post this is because my wife’s father and a few other JWs just watched Ben Stein’s “Expelled”. He is now convinced that Hitler was a “Darwinist” and his supposed belief in evolution inspired the Holocaust.
Ironic, isn’t it, that Hitler’s word’s (above) are almost indistinguishable from the Watchtower’s.
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Bloody Hotdogs!
Oops, just noticed that someone already posted this.... sorry.
http://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/mexico/new-testament-in-tzotzil/
